Gandi Posted January 13, 2010 Posted January 13, 2010 As the title says. I know that implementing an undo function is a lot more work than you would expect, since you have to cache all data that you cannot reconstruct from the changed values, but seriously - a missing undo function in a realtime editor is IMHO rather a bug than a missing feature Quote
Pixel Perfect Posted January 13, 2010 Posted January 13, 2010 You just have to be perfect Gandi Quote Intel Core i5 2.66 GHz, Asus P7P55D, 8Gb DDR3 RAM, GTX460 1Gb DDR5, Windows 7 (x64), LE Editor, GMax, 3DWS, UU3D Pro, Texture Maker Pro, Shader Map Pro. Development language: C/C++
Canardia Posted January 13, 2010 Posted January 13, 2010 Adding a datetime string to the filename would be more effective. Then you can have infinite undo/redo steps without using any memory (except harddisk space). There could be a button and/or key combo to "Save as datetime version", so you could just repeatedly hit that button whenever you got a good snapshot in your design phase. Quote ■ Ryzen 9 ■ RX 6800M ■ 16GB ■ XF8 ■ Windows 11 ■ ■ Ultra ■ LE 2.5 ■ 3DWS 5.6 ■ Reaper ■ C/C++ ■ C# ■ Fortran 2008 ■ Story ■ ■ Homepage: https://canardia.com ■
Pixel Perfect Posted January 13, 2010 Posted January 13, 2010 Wouldn't it just be easier to implement a simple one level undo function taking the onus off the designer to actually save repeatedly. Seems to work for most other software vendors so it must have something going for it It's just that added bit of protection for when you go ' oh **** ' I really didn't want to do that Quote Intel Core i5 2.66 GHz, Asus P7P55D, 8Gb DDR3 RAM, GTX460 1Gb DDR5, Windows 7 (x64), LE Editor, GMax, 3DWS, UU3D Pro, Texture Maker Pro, Shader Map Pro. Development language: C/C++
Rick Posted January 14, 2010 Posted January 14, 2010 Adding a datetime string to the filename would be more effective. Then you can have infinite undo/redo steps without using any memory (except harddisk space). There could be a button and/or key combo to "Save as datetime version", so you could just repeatedly hit that button whenever you got a good snapshot in your design phase. Are you sure you aren't clinically insane? j/k, it's just you say the darndest things sometimes. I think most everyone would rather use a little bit of memory than cluttering their hard drive up with all these sbx files. Which is why it's done the way it is. Quote
Canardia Posted January 14, 2010 Posted January 14, 2010 A in-memory undo would not prevent you from losing ours of work when your PC or Editor crashes. An autosave would be needed in addition to that, but autosaves don't know when you have a good version to save, so they will save unneccessary versions also. Autosave would also not save the latest version before the crash, so you might lose some work anyway. Quote ■ Ryzen 9 ■ RX 6800M ■ 16GB ■ XF8 ■ Windows 11 ■ ■ Ultra ■ LE 2.5 ■ 3DWS 5.6 ■ Reaper ■ C/C++ ■ C# ■ Fortran 2008 ■ Story ■ ■ Homepage: https://canardia.com ■
Michael Betke Posted January 14, 2010 Posted January 14, 2010 A lot of other Apps save just every X minutes. Thats what autosave is about. You can do it yourself. But I forgot always to save my work hehe. In memory undo sounds like a good way. If a PC crashes other work is gone too. I never have only on program launched at a time. Quote Pure3d Visualizations Germany - digital essences AAA 3D Model Shop specialized on nature and environments
panoramix Posted January 18, 2010 Posted January 18, 2010 You can't beat ctrl-z undo, a couple of levels (even 1 level!) would be fine for most. This reminds me of the days we didnt have scale in the editor... There's no fighting the need for undo! It's just an unavoidable feature to have in any editor. Quote Desktop: Intel 2600K - Gigabyte Z68X-UD3H-B3 - 16GB G.Skill Sniper - EVGA 580 gtx - Raid0 OCZ Vertex 3 SSD - Win7 64bit.
Naughty Alien Posted January 20, 2010 Posted January 20, 2010 ..im not using editor, but as far as i can tell undo is A MUST if you really considering to use some program seriously.. Quote
cocopino Posted January 27, 2010 Posted January 27, 2010 I know an undo function can be hard to program. On the other hand, it's a real pain not having any kind of undo. My vote would be to have the editor save a version of the sbx every time you switch tools/functions (e.g. switch flatten terrain tool to vegetation tool). Pressing the undo button (or ctrl+z) should then revert to the last save before switching tools. This should be fairly easy to implement. Quote desktop: Quad core Q6600 + 4GB + ATI HD4890 + XP laptop: Dual core T6400 + 4 GB + NVidia 9600M GT + Vista 32
Andy Gilbert Posted January 28, 2010 Posted January 28, 2010 I can remember quite a few times when i press ctrl Z and get instantly reminded that... there isnt one! Would be nice, even just a few levels back, if not one. I would say majority of the time one level up is the most used anything more is a bonus! But if you use them after halfway threw your level when you decide it looked better 100 objects ago, then i think that should be down to your own indivual saves. So, just 1 or 2 i think is required, any more is great! Cheers Andy Quote The good news about computers is that they do what you tell them to do. The bad news is that they do what you tell them to do. Leadwerks Game-Ready 3D Models:https://sellfy.com/gib3d
Rekindled Phoenix Posted February 12, 2010 Posted February 12, 2010 I agree, the undo feature is definitely needed. As other have said, one or two levels is perfectly okay. Also, the autosave should not override your current SBX, but save in addition to it. The autosave is a backup, and the user should have free reign on when to save their own files. Too bad it's not .Net otherwise I'd recommend using reflection and just calling the reverse commands to the app itself. It would also make it easy to store the collection into a file by catching any unhandled exception at the application level in case of a crash. How would you do the same in c++? I just hope that no one ever writes an IDE that saves hundreds of files to my hard drive just for the purpose of undo. May the Programming Gods smite thee for saying such blasphemy. Quote
Rick Posted February 12, 2010 Posted February 12, 2010 How would you do the same in c++? C++ has try/catch also, but the editor is written in BMax if I remember correctly. Quote
Josh Posted February 12, 2010 Posted February 12, 2010 BlitzMax has Try/Catch. Quote My job is to make tools you love, with the features you want, and performance you can't live without.
L B Posted July 30, 2010 Posted July 30, 2010 Alright, I think I owe to bump that one, apparently we all got used to it, but there are always some times when you would like at least a 1-level undo. Quote
knocks Posted July 30, 2010 Posted July 30, 2010 Couldn't agree more, this is the first thing i look for every update. Simply crazy we are still waiting, this a vital component for any editor. Quote My first Adobe purchase was Photoshop 2.0, CS6 was my last! < = >
Rimerdal Posted July 31, 2010 Posted July 31, 2010 I have not used the editor much, but of the times I have, I have made quite a few mistakes still getting used to how to use it and having the ability to undo those mistakes would be a big time saver. I am guessing(hoping) the more I use the editor the less I will desire the feature, but just starting out, not having that functionality is quite a pain. Quote
knocks Posted August 9, 2010 Posted August 9, 2010 Its not so much about making mistakes, but more about having a smooth work flow. I like to paint and model my own terrains, you only have to touch your terrain with a wrong setting and you have a bloody mess. Quote My first Adobe purchase was Photoshop 2.0, CS6 was my last! < = >
Michael Betke Posted August 9, 2010 Posted August 9, 2010 I also miss it while painting/sculpting terrain or placing models which I want to undo or restore in a state five clicks ago. Quote Pure3d Visualizations Germany - digital essences AAA 3D Model Shop specialized on nature and environments
Pixel Perfect Posted August 9, 2010 Posted August 9, 2010 Could we have a simple YES/NO answer on this one, why should people have to keep bumping the thread! This was initially requested over 6 months ago and seems to be a quite reasonable request. If requests are simply ignored where's the incentive for people to keep using the mechanism. 2 Quote Intel Core i5 2.66 GHz, Asus P7P55D, 8Gb DDR3 RAM, GTX460 1Gb DDR5, Windows 7 (x64), LE Editor, GMax, 3DWS, UU3D Pro, Texture Maker Pro, Shader Map Pro. Development language: C/C++
L B Posted August 9, 2010 Posted August 9, 2010 If requests are simply ignored where's the incentive for people to keep using the mechanism. +1. It doesn't have to be granted, but it does have to be addressed. Quote
Andr3wHur5t Posted August 9, 2010 Posted August 9, 2010 +1 Quote Tools: AC3D | 3D Canvas(pro) | Texture Maker(pro) | Genetica(basic) | 3D World Studio | Fragmotion |Leadwerks 2 | XNA 4 | Visual Studio 2010 Professional | XCode 5.x |UU3D Pro Programing & Scripting Languages: C |C++ | C# | Obj-C | LUA | Javascript | PHP | Ruby
Ywa Posted August 9, 2010 Posted August 9, 2010 When I asked him about undo & redo @ Twitter (Click) he replied with: 2.4 didn't change anything though. Quote
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